阿拉丁之约 | Amardeep：关于“人本照明”，我有不同看法！

A Date with Alighting | Amardeep: I am not particularly happy about the phrase Human Centric.

8月7日上午，「Lighting Research & Design」 创始人兼负责人 Amardeep M. Dugar 博士莅临光亚集团总部，CILCA国际照明商会秘书长/光亚照明研究院秘书长陶文泉进行接待。同时，《阿拉丁·设计》对Amardeep博士进行了专访。

On the morning of Aug 7, 2024, Dr. Amardeep M. Dugar, the founder and head of 「Lighting Research & Design」, visited the Guangya Group, and was received by Tao Wenquan, Secretary General of CILCA & Guangdong Guangya Academy of Research. Meanwhile, Alighting·Design had an exclusive interview with Dr. Amardeep.

Amardeep M. Dugar，是一位源自印度的跨界设计精英，其职业生涯跨越了建筑学与照明设计。在深入研习并获得建筑学本科学位后，他选择深耕照明设计的专业世界，进一步攻读了硕士及博士学位，这一坚实的学术背景为他日后的卓越成就奠定了基石。

Amardeep M. Dugar, an interdisciplinary designers from India, has a career that spans the fields of architecture and lighting design. After receiving his undergraduate degree in Architecture, he chose to delve deeper into the field of lighting design, pursuing a Master's degree and a PhD. His solid academic background was the cornerstone of his outstanding achievements.

凭借其深厚的建筑知识与独到的照明设计理念，Amardeep 迅速在印度乃至全球照明设计领域崭露头角，多年来，Amardeep的才华与努力得到了业界的高度认可，取得了众多耀眼成绩。他积极参与并加入了 IES 和 IALD 等著名国际组织，曾斩获包括 IALD 卓越奖、IES 优秀奖和 LIT 奖在内的多个国际奖项。

With his in-depth architectural knowledge and unique lighting design concepts, Amardeep has quickly made a name for himself in the field of lighting design in India and globally, and over the years, Amardeep's talent and hard work has been recognized by the industry with many notable achievements. He is an active member of prestigious international organizations such as the IES and IALD, and has won several international awards including the IALD Award of Excellence, the IES Award of Merit and LIT Award.

自2002年起，Amardeep的职业生涯经历了多重身份的转换，从建筑师到照明设计师，从客座教授到自由职业者，每一次转身都见证了他对设计艺术的执着追求与不懈探索。在2010年，32岁的他，凭借丰富的经验与独到的见解，创立了自己的工作室——Lighting Research & Design，专注于灯光艺术的深度研究与创新设计，成为照明行业的中坚力量。

Since 2002, Amardeep's career has gone through multiple transitions, from architect to lighting designer, from visiting professor to freelancer, each of which has witnessed his persistent pursuit of the art of design and relentless exploration. In 2010, when he was 32, with his rich experience and unique insights, he founded his own studio - Lighting Research & Design, focusing on in-depth research and innovative design in the art of lighting, and became a stalwart of the lighting industry.

Amardeep：I have been following Chinese lighting design for over a decade. Whatever I have seen so far, it's very impressive. And I saw a lot of the Chinese projects in the international lighting design awards. What I have seen is that the number of the winning entries are increasing, and most of them are from China. I am really impressed by China, especially for the good works and good Chinese Lighting designers.

Amardeep：The similarities is that Chinese lighting designers are really sensitive to a place which is very similar to international designers. It's the right amount of light that is used. Not less light or more light, is just the right kind of light. The differences that I find is（Chinese designers）more like to do with the Chinese culture, because obviously Chinese culture is very different from a lot of international cultures in the choice of color, in the use of light models. I think Chinese designers have to be very sensitive and aware of the Chinese culture. So that is probably the difference between Chinese designers and other designers.

Amardeep：I'm working on various types of projects. I'm working on a car museum project. This is approaching (what) they worked on 10 years ago. We had a lot of these collectors’ edition of cars, as well as a huge collection of heritage cars. A model of the first Mercedes ever built in the world can be seen at this museum. I'm very privileged to work on that project. And 10 years later, the client is doing an expansion of the same museum. He's calling me back for designing the lighting. So I feel really privileged. I recently designed the lighting scenes for the interiors of the newest fleets of Boeing and Airbus for Air India. Air India has recently placed an order for new planes and I had the privilege to design the lighting. So, I have moved into a new realm of aviation lighting. This is very new to me. I feel really privileged for being here.

Amardeep: I’d love to. I wish because I think the Chinese market is amazing, the way they look at design is so creative. It will be one of my dream to come true.

Amardeep：This phrase Human Centric Lighting is something that I am not particularly happy about, because everything that you design is very essential. This chair is Human Centric. So all we design is for humans. What the real problem I have with this phrase is that it is used as a marketing gimmick.

Quite a lot of manufacturers, what they say is that they can change all this light, change color, and temperatures. Human centric is a lot more of that. Because there are five different variables that our human body needs. It means intensity, spectrum, timing, duration, and spatial distribution. So,  light needs all these five different variables for the human body to adjust. The manufacturer says that I can dim the light, is just one aspect of it. That doesn't make a human centric, because you need to incorporate all of these aspects into the whole. It's a holistic system, and every human being is different. Just like having a cup of coffee. You might prefer two spoons of sugar in a cup. I prefer just one. If you could design one entire space and say this is human centric, but there are hundred people working. How can it be consented with each human being so different?

Those are the subtle things that lighting has to be looking at. I'm glad he was thinking about human centric lighting, but what I have to say is we still have a lot to learn about human centric lighting. We need to look at every difference and not say that we can swap colors, temperatures, change intensities, or that replicating daylight is human centric lighting. The CIE has come up with a term called Integrative lighting. That is a more appropriate term to use instead of human centric. Because in the future, I would request every lighting professional to look at this term called Integrative lighting. Integrative lighting has a much more holistic definition.